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I’m siding with Naran on this one.

AMGer Dale Tudor (distantly related to the old monarchy) cannot believe that the ACLU is threatening to sue an Alabama town for this genius crime-fighting program they’ve got down there.

What’s the plan? Alternative sentencing. You can either accept jail time or accept a certain time period of attending church every Sunday.

This idea is so obviously stupid I can’t believe it would become law, even in Alabama, but apparently the people of Alabama decided that they just weren’t going to hold back any longer. They are going for the full idiotic triple-lutz with an unconstitutional landing, and they stuck it.

Dale Tudor loves the idea. Can’t see any problem. Thinks it should happen here, too. Someone should break it softly to him that Maine is one of the least religious states in the country. This might be related to why we have low rates of teen pregnancy and divorce, but I digress.

So, fortunately, this plan would have zero chance of passing in Maine. But back in Alabama, Naran picked up on some possible issues: she says, well, I’d expect Pagan and Wiccan church attendance to skyrocket. I guess she is insinuating that these religions are more open to criminals, or easier to do, or something. Not sure I agree with her there. But the general point is valid- people are going to choose the “easiest” church and just show up. Personally, I’d go Catholic. It is easy to sleep in the back row with all the droning going on. Evangelical churches have all the loud music and exciting singing. I say to heck with that, I’d rather take a nap.

Dale retorts that there are 47 “approved” churches participating in the plan, so he doesn’t think people can get away with this. You can only go to approved churches? Wow, that just increased the unconstitutionality from 100% to… 100%.

Naran responds that people have a right to not be coerced into a religion, being that we live in the ‘ole US of A. Dale doesn’t see it that way:

Perhaps you missed the part about the convicted having a choice? That’s not a bribe, nor is it coercion. And, as an aside, nothing would be gained if the court were to allow the convicted to go to an organization that espoused the same liberal values that most likely contributed them being brought before the court in the first place.

(slaps forehead) You can’t make this up! Being told that you can go to JAIL… or CHURCH… is not at all coercive in favor of religion.

Oh, and for the crazy cherry on top Dale lets it be known that coercing people to go to a liberal church would be dumb because criminals are all liberals anyways, and if they are not then sending them to a liberal church would just make them so. For crying out loud…

If Backwaterville, Alabama insists on sticking with their program, I’m tempted to go to that town and start a mosque, apply for “approval” to the program and watch the fireworks.

Some AMGers think about religion in the strangest way. I started thinking about this topic when I read two super-crazy statements about religion in the space of five minutes.

The first statement was actually written a while ago, but it is new to me. It is by “Watcher” and is about President Obama’s so-called “birth certificate.” Watcher thinks Obama is hiding something and here is what it might be:

I read that in Islam, if you are born of a Muslim father, you are born a Muslim. There is no alternative. That being the case, if he is a Christian, he converted.

That’s the kind of logic that would embarrass most small children, perhaps even a slightly above average dolphin. “There is no alternative.” It is as simple as that.

Sure, the Muslim religion has a lot of other rules that I somehow doubt Watcher gives any credence or deference to. But for some reason their rules about heredity of religion are above questioning? Makes zero sense. Absolutely zero.

Here’s the deal, Watcher. Religious rules only matter if you’re willingly in the religion. If Obama doesn’t consider himself a Muslim, he isn’t one. End of story. No one cares what his father was.

Watcher is lucky Muslims don’t have a rule stating that all people who post idiotic things on the internet are Muslim. If that were the case, he’d have to find a mosque toot-sweet. It would be a bummer, but I’m sure Watcher would go along. The rules are the rules, after all.

The other weird religious statement is this doozy by “KennyRoberts.” He said it in a thread about bringing back the death penalty. Someone said, hey, maybe Jesus wouldn’t actually be okay with men deciding when other men must die. Kenny says no dice. Check out the second paragraph below.

He is returning as King of Kings and The Lion of The Tribe of Judah. There will be harsh penalties handed out.

I’m not a religious person. The Bible is a historical record of facts. Those who desire not to believe that is OK with me but calling me religious is not an accurate assessment.

Look, I’m not a religious person either. Except that, unlike Kenny, I am truly non-religious in the sense most people understand the word. I don’t give a hoot if someone else wants to believe in any religion regardless of how mind-numbingly weird or illogical it may seem to me. The way I look at it, everyone is an athiest. I’m an athiest towards all religion. Kenny is just an athiest towards all religions minus one. He’s still got a 1 billion to one ratio of non-belief to belief among all religions, which is only slightly better than mine.

I chortle when I read that Kenny is “not a religious person,” but merely someone who believes in a “historical record of facts.” It just so happens that those particular historical facts are known as The Bible to everyone else. Not his problem. If it’s the true religion, after all, you’re not religious. You’re just historically accurate.

There is missing the point, and then there is a whole other dimension of point missing. Kenny is in that other dimension.


If only LePage had told us how he really felt before the election.

In this video, Governor LePage is addressing a group of homeschooling parents. They laugh about how public school teachers aren’t educating and then discuss how kids are being perverted by public schools. When a parent asks to bring God back into the schools and reinstitute daily prayers, LePage agrees with the goal but says it can’t happen unless Maine votes even more Republican in 2012.


This blog drew a mention in Al Diamon’s column in the Portland Phoenix.

Speaking of [Gubernatorial candidate Kevin] Scott, his erstwhile campaign manager, Michael Pajak, earned the I Have The Courage Of My Convictions As Long As I Don’t Have To Use My Real Name Award. According to the blog, Pajak has been posting anti-gay and anti-Muslim comments on the As Maine Goes Web site under the pseudonym “The Distributist” (sample: “Existing information could lead one to conclude that homosexual behavior is to genetics what islam [sic] is to religion”). Asked about his homophobia and religious intolerance, Pajak refused to answer, saying he was being questioned about a “fictional character.”

Sort of like the lynch mob in To Kill A Mockingbird.

A profile of prolific AMG poster “The Distributist” is up.

Michelle Anderson, acting in her role as Commander in the Field, Armchair Division, thinks that General Petraeus just doesn’t understand what puts American troops in danger. Regarding a Florida church’s decision to burn the Koran as some sort of weird protest, Michelle writes:

A Florida church is planning to burn a copy of the koran on 9/11. While I wouldn’t do that, I don’t see how such an action puts us at any more danger than we’re already in. “Death to America” has been the chant for years now, and, in case no one notices, they are already targeting American troops. And Americans in general.


“They” are not already targeting American troops. Some of the “They” target Americans; others don’t. In fact, most of the “They” do not kill Americans, but the ones that do depend on the acquiescence of fellow Afghans.

In Michelle’s simplified, fifth-grade level thinking about the world, Afghans fall into one of two categories: those that want to kill Americans anywhere, anytime, and those that understand that America is a shining beacon of  hope helping them overcome their backwards way of life.

Bull fucking shit. There are lots of people in the middle, if you could call it that, and they are who we need to be concerned with. The Taliban uses shit like this as propaganda. Their targets are the uneducated, uninformed, and illiterate. They do not understand our Constitution. They do not know about George Washington. They do not understand the higher principles behind the First Amendment.

Some Afghans surely do not want to kill Americans, but waver in reporting their fellow Afghans to the authorities. Are they more likely to come forward or less likely to come forward when they hear that America burns the Koran?

What about an Afghan that doesn’t really like America, but isn’t upset enough to assist in constructing an IED, or telling the Taliban about U.S. troop movements, until he is told that America burns Korans?

The world isn’t black and fucking white, Michelle. America is investing billions of dollars into making friends with the people of Afghanistan. Stuff like this news from Florida will live on in the minds of the Afghan population for decades.

EDITED TO ADD: Someone named Vic Berardelli, who under the long tradition of AMGers of grouping people together using stereotypes of the worst of the worst is most certainly involved in the mafia, added to Michelle’s idea that the Koran burning protest is the “mirror image” of the New York City Mosque controversy:

Michelle hit the issue accurately in that this is indeed a mirror-image of the mosque construction philosophical issue: they have the right to do it but is it the right thing to do?

No. Michelle did not hit the issue accurately. One group wants to build a place for kids to play basketball. The other is burning holy books. Not. The. Same.


The Distributist posts a link to his favorite new site,, with the following excerpt regarding the NYC Muslim community center:

Lost amid all the incendiary discussion about the Super Mosque being planned within a grenade’s toss from Ground Zero is the struggle to rebuild the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church. The building stood for nearly 90 years, finding itself in the shadow of the Twin Towers, and eventually reduced to dust on 9/11.

I hypothesize that even the people trying to block the “Mosque” understand how weak their arguments are when the raw emotions are put aside. Otherwise they wouldn’t need to be so misleading. For example, the first sentence above has two glaring lies:

1. The proposed building is called a “Super Mosque?” by Really? Super? Does it fly? It is a community center. It has a prayer space. Think of it as a YMCA with a chapel inside. Would you call such a YMCA a “Super Church?” Probably not.

2. The community center is a “grenade’s throw” from Ground Zero? Absolutely wrong, unless you are one hell of a grenade thrower. And who measures distance in grenade throws, anyways? I’ll tell you who: people that hate Muslims. People like The Distributist.


Social Justice, Part Two

Here are some more points on social justice:

The development of economic activity and growth in production are meant to provide for the needs of human beings. Economic life is not meant solely to multiply goods produced and increase profit or power; it is ordered first of all to the service of persons, of the whole man, and of the entire human community. Economic activity, conducted according to its own proper methods, is to be exercised within the limits of the moral order, in keeping with SOCIAL JUSTICE so as to correspond to God’s plan for man.

I wholeheartedly agree with the above, other than the “God’s plan” bit. And then there is this:

A just wage is the legitimate fruit of work. To refuse or withhold it can be a grave injustice. In determining fair pay both the needs and the contributions of each person must be taken into account. “Remuneration for work should guarantee man the opportunity to provide a dignified livelihood for himself and his family on the material, social, cultural and spiritual level, taking into account the role and the productivity of each, the state of the business, and the common good.” Agreement between the parties is not sufficient to justify morally the amount to be received in wages.

Agreement between parties is not morally sufficient to justify the amount received in wages? That doesn’t sound like Tea Party capitalism. Where do these moonbatty ideas come from?

The Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Let me continue to say that while I am not Catholic, I do tend to align very closely with the Catholic catechism on social justice issues. I think they do great work in this area.